Comments on: FED COMMENT ON- FALL IN POLICE NUMBERS

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By: Eddie Hitler

Eddie Hitler — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:58:04 +0000

Does anyone wonder why we all leave the job when:

1. The Home Secretary refuses to pay us.
2. The Public thinks we’re there to support the Government. (We aren’t, trust me… See point 1).
3. We get the blame when one underclass steals another underclass’ child and we don’t find it within 24 hours.
4. We can’t use our discretion because of Government targets.
5. Our management calls the punters “Customers” as if they have a choice as to which Crime prevention / Detection / Social service they use.
6. Canada hands out guns to Police.
7. Australia hands out guns to Police.
8. New Zealand hands out guns to Police.
9. [insert any nation's Police in the world] hands out guns to Police.
10. People in this country think that the Police handling of the Miners was anything other than an honest attempt to uphold the law.
11. Courts and Management don’t trust Officers originally employed in a position of trust. (We hear endless comments about our integrity, but are never trusted…)

I am personally sick of it. When the last Professional Police Officer leaves the country, please leave the lights on for the PCSOs, Civilian Investigators and Home Secretaries left behind to muddle through and prattle on about their great policies.

By: Plodnomore

Plodnomore — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:34:17 +0000

Blue Knight (and the other bloggers), when those who joined in the 70’s and 80’s retire, leaving a shed load of PCSOs, then you’ll find it won’t be this Government’s fault. They know that they may win one more election but will lose the next. They are therefore leaving as big a mess as possible for the next lot to sort out. They couoldn’t give a stuff about ‘the people’ as they will be sat behind their walled enclaves with their inflation proof obscene pensions and company directors salaries (just look at that war criminal Blair as an example. As a further example, try finding out how many Labour MPs have properties abroad. You may be surprised (if you can obtain the answer).It will be left to the next Government to try and recruit more Police (at enormous expense) while trying to make thousands of PCSOs redundant (at even more expense). Society will be screaming for a tough Government thus leaving the door open for the extreme parties. The reason why this Government is treating the Police so badly? Bigots have long memories and they will have been brainwashed about the brave miners who went on strike and were cruelly cut down by the fascist Police. Plus there is the survey carried out by the Labour party which reavealed that the majority of Police officers tend to vote Tory. How can they allow such people to keep order? I retired several from the Police years ago and am waiting for my youngest child to finish in University then my wife and I are off to Cyprus to live. I wanted to do my bit to benefit society but in this country today it’s like trying to bail out the Titanic with a teaspoon.

By: blueknight

blueknight — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:44:27 +0000

The fact that the Home Office seems to think that an relatively untrained PCSO can be used on the street to replace a trained Police Officer speaks volumes about the ignorance and arrogance of the Government. A sort of ‘Send off three cereal packet tops and become a Police Officer.’ situation.
If putting untrained persons into a job that needs trained personnel is such a good idea, why is there is not a PCSO equivalent in the Fire Brigade or the Ambulance Service?
There will not be any redundancies even if Police numbers have to be cut. In the next couple of years all the Officers who joined in the large recruitments of the late 70s early 80s will retire…

By: Twining

Twining — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:52:44 +0000

Is there another Bloggs?

By: Twining

Twining — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:52:14 +0000

Just a cop says, “ACPO would sell their family members for a sniff of brownie points from the Home Office.” I don’t know whether they would sell their immediate family, but they might sell their grandparents. I do think they would selll their subordinates though. The only way is up for them!

By: justacop

justacop — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:09:34 +0000

You miss the point. These numbers were supposed to be in addition to sworn police officers. What is actually happening is that they are starting to replace them and this is the prediction that they saw coming. Instead of a fully trained omnicompetent constable with a PCSO supporting them the public now only get the supporting act instead. ACPO would sell their family members for a sniff of brownie points from the Home Office. The ACPO view will always be different as many of them haven’t done a full days frontline police work outside of their first two years in the whole of their service which speaks volumes about their ability to make policing decisions.

By: PCSO Bloggs

PCSO Bloggs — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:35:15 +0000

I cannot see what the issue is here with PCSOs. The comments that the Fed ‘saw the increase in CSOs coming’ made me laugh. They must be psychic, or perhaps they occasionally read the HO press releases stating that they will be 16000 PCSOs by 2008. Of course they saw it coming, it was never hidden!

I also cannot understand the complaint now that the HO decided to employ 16000 rather than 24000, the initial figure. Surely the Fed should be jumping for joy for the slash in PCSO numbers!

By: Bobby

Bobby — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:52:51 +0000

Metcountymounty,
you so right there. It beggers belief how poor a service some of our so called partners dish out. Poor guy needed MH care, the doc weren’t interested as in his own words, ‘it was rather difficult’ to sort out

I echo your sentiments about medics/A+E staff – great folk.

Why do we cops always end up at the bottom of the pile dealing with everything that is too difficult for the right people to deal with ?

By: Metcountymounty

Metcountymounty — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:15:38 +0000

Bobby, I took a mental health case to our local A&E a litle while ago, same circs really. we found the guy sleeping rough, pos ID’d him and confirmed that he was missing from a mental health ward oop north somewhere. At the mental hospitals behest we walked the guy to A&E where the mental hospital had arranged for him to be picked up in a few hours, all he needed to do was to sit in a seat and wait for the minibus, instead of under a bridge in the pissing cold in the middle of winter under a binbag. I had not uttered more than “Hi doctor, this guy is a mental hea…” when the A&E doc said “we’re not a place of safety as per the mental health legislation, he’s your problem you’ll have to take him to the police station”
After interupting me again I finally explained that all we needed them to do was not kick him out of the department and it was another hospital that asked us to take him there and so he was already under the guidance of the NHS. The doc finally referred us to his consultant who very very kindly gave the guy a spare bed in an empty ward, a wash and some freebie clothes and a hot meal, he then got some warm kip and went back to his mental health unit in the morning.

There was no partnership agreement to follow, just good old fashioned kindness and making the situation work, something seriously lacking nowadays on behalf of some of our partners (accept paramedics and generally all other A&E staff – they rock)

I think our bollocks mottos (like “working together for a safer london”) should be changed to “Aut viam inveniam aut faciam” which means “I shall find a way, or make one” Seems considerably more appropriate to what we actually end up doing.

By: Bobby

Bobby — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:04:01 +0000

Red Admiral,
I agree with you on the word ‘partners’.

It ranks alongside words such as ‘community’ and ”robust’.

I am fed up of bosses continually using these words, tis all wa*kspeak. I know I don’t speak for all, but when I am looking for ‘partners’ to work with me in ‘partnership’ at 0400hrs during a weekend when I am trapped watching a mental health case or juvvie needing an appropriate adult – I never seem able to get hold of those partners we supposed work so well with.

I fell out big style with a doctor this week. I took a mental health type to his hospital, he wanted to know what I wanted to do with the patient. I told him that it was his patient, not mine. The patient had not committed an offence and thus I was not going to lock him up as the good Dr wanted. I told the good Dr that he was now responsible for the patient and that I would not be taking the patient to any mental health ward for the Dr. I had kept my end of the bargain by taking him to a place of safety, the rest was up to him.

He didn’t like that.

By: Red Admiral

Red Admiral — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:12:19 +0000

“21st century policing is a collective effort involving police personnel, local government, and a range of other partners.”

Why is it that whenever I hear the word “partners” in this context I want to reach for my revolver? Oh dammit, not allowed one any more. Just as well, I suppose.

By: Twining

Twining — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:03:48 +0000

Which end bites, then we are traitors.

By: whichendbites

whichendbites — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:50:37 +0000

Frontline response numbers are woefully short due to the constant removal of numbers for other targets. There are serious risks involved to response on a regular basis. Luckily & thankfully the system is made to work by those at the sharp end. How long will this continue to be the case. Those that put the policies in place claim the high level of professionalism and committment of those who cut corners and rush to keep the ship afloat. Someone will drop in the cacky and the professional standards regiment will get a chance to do some Police work when they do their own brand of investigation. The wheel has not come off very often, but for the grace of god……….